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Do any of them know what the word "liberal" actually means?

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[–] Baahb@feddit.nl 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much. "Lol why don't you like libs?"

...cause we don't like things the way they are, and the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress. Maybe we are allowed relief from existing problems, but fuck you if you wanna fix em!

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress.

"Liberal" in America is literally synonymous with "progressive". The entire point of the party is progress.

@Cowbee@lemmy.ml here's another one

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“Liberal” in America is literally synonymous with “progressive”. The entire point of the party is progress.

What are you even talking about? There are numerous Democrat politicians who don't label themselves as progressive.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I didn't say "Democrat" at all in my comment.

All progressives are Democrats, not all Democrats are progressives. The Democratic party is a coalition.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Does that mean there are Democrats who aren't liberal?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah. Bernie Sanders himself is not a Democrat, but most of his supporters are Democrats who are socialist, not liberal.

Then you've got your Joe Manchin types, who basically agree with Republicans but don't like the racism etc. Blue Dogs.

Then you've got the split between "progressives" and "centrists". Biden being more of a centrist, AOC being more of a progressive. "Liberal" means different things to different people, but most Democrats would say progressives are liberals while centrists aren't.

[–] Baahb@feddit.nl 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lol which party is pushing for progress?

The one throwing kids in jail for protesting genocide?

The one funnelling money to Israel hand over foot?

The one that let Republicans stack the judiciary while crying that it was "unfair" but not actually working to stop it?

Fuck the D's bunch of cowards.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes.

Fuck the GOP. They're doing everything you criticise the Dems for, except worse. That's what "progress" means. Not that everything is instantly perfect. That it's less bad.

[–] Baahb@feddit.nl 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That is absolutely NOT what progress means, you fucking dipshit.

prog·ress noun /ˈpräɡrəs/

forward or onward movement toward a destination.
"the darkness did not stop my progress"

Moving slightly slower on enshittofication than the other guys does not meet that definition.

Improvement, actual improvement, is what is required by progress.

I'm not asking for everything to instantly be better. I'm demanding that things stop slowly getting worse.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

It's getting less bad over time too, dumbass.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, the entire point of liberalism is continued private property rights.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so you're not just unaware that the different terms cause confusion

You are maliciously spreading that confusion

My fault for giving you the benefit of the doubt, I don't normally do that.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

Nah, you just lie ✌️