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There are no ethical choices under first-past-the-post voting. We must instead make a decision that reduces the most harm.

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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 6 months ago (21 children)

What population of people outside of your country is going to be “saved” by a round-2 Biden ticket exactly?..

People living in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan to name a few. Also everyone in countries in Europe besides Ukraine. In fact most of the countries of the world, because authoritarian dictatorships will carve the world into spheres of influence. To be clear, dictators will be killing millions of people in their spheres of influence with genocides and ethnic cleansings.

You can’t possibly believe in the man taking >$5.5M from Israel to run the Palestinian state into the dirt, right?

Do you mean giving to? If we're still talking about Biden then I believe he will do the least harm.

You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train

This supports my argument as I am arguing we need to pick the side that will do the least harm. There is no way to be neutral with FPTP voting.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago (19 children)

People living in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan to name a few.

Ukraine's war will continue regardless.

The Palestinian genocide will continue regardless.

Taiwan isn't under any threat of being killed by the millions at the moment, so I'm not even sure how he would "save" them?..

Do you mean giving to?

No 😂. Look up a list of the most "donations" taken from Israel by any political candidate. Did you genuinely not look into things like this before defending him with a shitty Sonic meme?

This supports my argument

This is also wrong. You are allowing genocide to continue by agreeing with the current status-quo. Acting like voting in the same man taking in millions to kill over 100,000 brown people (most of which are women and children) will somehow SAVE Palestine (I noticed you used "Gaza" there by mistake, nbd I fixed that for you) is so painfully ignorant it just has to be on purpose.

Stop drinking the state-narrative kool-aid you dork.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 15 points 6 months ago (4 children)

"Ukraine's war" but Palestinian genocide. The situation in Ukraine is no less of a genocide, and it's Russia's war, Ukraine is just trying to survive.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can't simultaneously think they have a chance of winning AND that they're losing so badly it's a genocide.

Palestine is roughly 100:1 KD and you libs are calling it a war.

This feels like hella AstroTurf from the dumbies that moved from Reddit

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I said they're both genocide. Just because the oppressor could lose doesn't remove the possibility of genocide. Germany lost WW2, but they absolutely committed genocide.

Russia has abducted 20k Ukrainian children. Russia has destroyed museums, schools, cultural monuments, and churches. Russia has changed the language in the regions they conquered. It has been declared a genocide by many nations, scholars, and the international criminal court.

What "KD ratio" is required for a genocide to count in your mind?

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It cannot be both a genocide and a war. You're intentionally misrepresenting the situation while using the state narrative's verbiage.

Also the Germans didn't lose the war to the Jewish population specifically so what is your point?..

Is it a war in Palestine or a slaughter?

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

Historically that's total nonsense. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were at war during the Nazi Holocaust in Russia that killed over a hundred thousand people. Are you saying that wasn't genocide? I find that absurd.

Israel declared war on Hamas, but that's still a genocide. Russia didn't declare war until last month. Ukraine hasn't declared war, they're being invaded. So how does your distinction make any sense?

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