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[–] no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago (29 children)

As a person who learned English as a 2nd language, I would like it if you could transform the language into gender neutral and end this insanity.

I still get classic genders wrong, this whole LGBTQ movement is confusing me even more when I'm trying to type/speak.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (16 children)

English is gender neutral. You have to deliberately apply a gender to something unless that word is gender specific, like cow or bitch referring to female animals.

In my brief forays learning other languages one of the more frustrating things to learn is that you can have female refrigerators, male buses, and gender neutral roofs. That is not gender neutrality.

So I don’t get your issue with genders, seeing as they have nothing to do with English language neutrality and everything to do with how you address a specific individual at their request.

[–] no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In Persian we don't have genders for anything. No words, no pronouns, nothing. So having gendered pronouns for me is not gender neutral. I would rather call everyone equally "they" than get into this game of what are you identifying yourself because it makes the language more complex for me.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

How is it more difficult? If someone’s name is Joe Smith, you would commonly expect to refer to them as Joe. But say they ask you to refer to them as Mr. Smith. Ok, no big deal, right?

Referring to someone by their preferred pronoun is no different. If Joe wants to be “they”, it’s no big deal.

The apparent issue is with gender and people’s personal hang ups with it. People change how they address others all the time, formally, informally, professionally, familiar, marriage name change, etc. So all I’m getting here is resistance to what…? LBGTQ people?

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