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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 96 points 8 months ago (27 children)

I love watching this strawman over and over.

Of course Biden is better than Trump. He should still stop supporting genocide.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (6 children)

As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn't have start/stop genocide button, or control inflation lever for that matter.

If it's not going to be Biden, then it will be someone else. Either a Republican or a Democrat.

Even someone who earlier looked promising, eg Fetterman is a staunch Israel supporter.

Because the problem is systematic. You can't just uproot the US-Israel nexus that's deeply entrenched in the US politics.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 60 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

the Oval Office doesn't have start/stop genocide button

True, but it DOES have the option to stop supplying bombs that they know for a fact are being used to commit that genocide.

Your "either they can push a magic button or they're doing all they can" dichotomy isn't clever. It shows that you're being either disingenuous, willfully ignorant or just extremely obtuse.

Because the problem is systematic

Yes, Israel is systematically wiping out the population of Gaza and the Biden White House is using the levers of the system to help them do it. That's not an argument for not telling them to stop.

You can't just uproot the US-Israel nexus that's deeply entrenched in the US politics

You can, in fact. It worked with Apartheid South Africa, which the US also kept supporting way beyond the point that most other countries stopped, and it'll work with THIS apartheid regime too.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago (40 children)

It has a stop paying for genocide button.

It has a stop vetoing UN resolutions button.

It has an impose sanctions button and a freeze assets button.

It has a pull their warships out button.

It has dozens of make life really uncomfortable for Israel if it doesn't fucking stop committing genocide buttons.

But at the very least it could stop actively helping them commit genocide.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They did use the stop vetoing resolutions button. Not much but it's not nothing.

Sending their warships would mean Israel would try calling their bluff and force USA to commit an act of war to stop them, which would cause absolutely chaos in the region. They probably should start with sanctions though.

Biden's biggest problem here is he's so focused on backrooms negotiations, that he's not using some of the options that could increase public pressure, and all other people see is old treaties continuing with very slow changes and seeing the continued actions of the other party who doesn't really want to negotiate.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean withdraw their ships already in the area, replace that layer of defense with, oh I dunno, thoughts and prayers maybe.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

They also claimed that the resolution is non-binding, which is contrary to stated international law.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button

I didn't say "stop genocide". I said "stop supporting genocide."

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button, or control inflation lever for that matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war

They indeed have the stop button but it's not the one they are pressing.

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[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not sure where you got the implication from that he shouldn't stop supporting genocide?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (18 children)

Right here on lemmy. Try saying that Biden should stop supporting genocide here on lemmy a few times. You'll get plenty of people acting like you're both-sidesing for Trump.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What is the strawman in this meme? When you talk to republicans they will point out the flaws of a democrat and act like that is equivalent to whatever their republican counterparts are doing. This is not a strawman.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

When you talk to republicans they will point out the flaws of a democrat and act like that is equivalent to whatever their republican counterparts are doing

A "flaw"? Really? Supporting genocide is more than a "flaw".

But the problem arises when the sort of centrist who would downplay genocide by calling it a "flaw" decides that anyone who says that Biden should stop supporting genocide must be a republican both-sidesing. Or is a Russian. Or chinese, or a bot or a tankie or a trumpist or a nazi or a child.

Which are all things I have been called because I dared to say that Biden should not be supporting genocide.

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[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which strawman? I’m relying on:

strawman: a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I don’t think op knows what a strawman argument is.

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