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[–] Lath@kbin.earth 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Probably because they're basically poison that has to be filtered out and fucks up your liver and kidneys.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

If we forbid things just because they are mildly toxic, we would need to forbid almost everything. Including oxygen and water.

[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

False,

"No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health" - https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health

There is a safe level of oxygen and water you not only can, but must take. Your phrase sounds cool, but it's 100% misinformation.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Alcohol is pretty significantly toxic, especially compared to oxygen and water.

I'm not in favour of banning it outright, but alcohol is more dangerous than some drugs that are illegal in many parts of the world, including the US.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, a lot of people die because they drink too much water. Don't forget how moch money is wasted because people break shit and beat each other up when theu are high on water.

[–] Mesophar@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that more a social issue? Getting drunk and becoming violent isn't a cause-effect. Someone that becomes abusive after drinking would be abusive without alcohol as well, that's just a trigger for the behavior.

This is closer to an actual answer, though. It's easier to remove drinking than to change drinking culture. It just didn't work the last time they tried to ban alcohol (in the USA), so if behavior around drinking is the issue that is trying to be solved there are probably other ways to go about it.

[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Alcohol is popular because also improves your socialization, could be linked perfectly, but I'm not an expert to say it. And smoking cigarettes is also bad and isn't banned, while weed is safer than those two addictions, and it's still mostly illegal. There are reasons, and hippies are probably the cause, government wanted to criminalize them and their love movement. If alcohol keeps you down, and quiet, the government will not care to ban even if it's bad for your health, they need the companies to keep winning money.

[–] Mesophar@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok, but there are plenty of other items that that do that as well. It's not a call out of "all drugs, including tobacco and alcohol". It's not a callout of microplastics. So there's something specific to alcohol.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So there’s something specific to alcohol.

Being widespread. One bad set of laws in bad place in bad time (propination laws in eastern Europe in XVIII-XIX century) caused untold suffering and is keenly felt to this day, showing how easily hundreds of millions of people can be fucked up by poisonous commodity.

I'm not for entirely banning alcohol, but only because it would be rather futile, but for restrictions in its selling and far going educational campaigns to finally get rid of it - and it is possible, even if not entirely, looking at the decline of consumption of other poison, tobacco.