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[–] knightly@pawb.social 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (16 children)

I'm a former singularitarian, and sadly, we live in a universe that will not be seeing a technological singularity.

Moore's Law has been dead for over a decade, tech isn't advancing like it did when we were kids, and we've reached the hard physical limits of electronic transistor technology. Even if we manage to get one of the proposed alternatives to work (photonics, spintronics, plasmonics, etc), the most we'll see is one or two more price-performance doublings before those hit a wall too.

The technological curve isn't exponential, it's sigmoid. Those economists know what they're talking about because they've internalized Alvin Toffler's "Limits to Growth" as a prerequisite for futures studies.

[–] Phoenix5869@futurology.today 8 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Holy shit, finally someone else who gets what i’m saying!

I completely agree. Moore’s law is dead, photonic computing and graphene transistors (which i’ve heard are set to replace it) probably won’t be here for a while, i agree that tech has slowed down, and overall, things are not looking good.

I am very scared of the possibility of a long period of slow, incremental growth. But unfortunately, i think deep down i know it’s a very real possibility. The world of 2030 may look pretty much the same as today, with 2040 not looking much different than that.

I’m a former singularitarian,

I’m glad to see that a former singularitarian has seen the truth. While i wasn’t too deep into the Kurzweil Koolaid, i did at one point think that we were getting AGI in a matter of a couple decades. With the slowdown of computing progress, that clearly isn’t happening.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (8 children)

The thing is the human brain is very small and very efficient and has some limits on what it is made from being biological in nature.

As the human brain exists we know it is possible to make. So if we make something as equally as functional then whatever we make we just make a new version 10 times as big.

The problem is making that first artifical brain, but when we make that I don't see how we couldn't have an explosion in intelligence.

[–] Phoenix5869@futurology.today 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How exactly are we supposed to replicate the human brain, when we barely understand it?

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We wasn't able to understand fire and we replicated that.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Moreover, just because we don't completely understand it now doesn't mean we never will.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 0 points 8 months ago

Which is why neural network computer science needs psychologists and sociologists to regulate it.

It's only a matter of time before corps start trying to simulate human brains, but even the smaller models deserve at least the same level of consideration that we give to animals.

[–] Phoenix5869@futurology.today 1 points 8 months ago

I get what you’re trying to say, but making fire and understanding the human brain are not even remotely on the same level.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

We do not have task of replicating brain, only intelligence. And even there it is not replicating that we want or we do.

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