this post was submitted on 31 Jan 2024
599 points (98.7% liked)

politics

19145 readers
2282 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Many on the right claim the U.S. is being "invaded" by migrants but also want to wait until Donald Trump is elected president again to stop it.

For months, Republicans have shouted from the rooftops about a migrant crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border and how President Joe Biden needs to act to address it, insisting the flow of migrants is an urgent national security threat.

Now many on the right are urging their party to reject the very same things they said were needed to fix the problem, including tougher enforcement measures and a proposal to automatically shut down border crossings when it is overwhelmed. Instead, they appear set on impeaching the top Cabinet official in charge of the border, even though there is no evidence of a crime.

The GOP’s contortions aren’t just grating for Democrats but also on some conservative Republicans who have been deeply involved in crafting bipartisan legislation, which is expected to be unveiled soon, that would overhaul how migrants are processed at the border.

“It is interesting. Republicans four months ago... locked arms together and said, ‘We’re not going to give you money for this. We want a change in law,’” Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.), the GOP’s lead negotiator on a deal pairing immigration changes with assistance to Ukraine and other allies, said on “Fox News Sunday.”

“A few months later, when we’re finally getting to the end, they’re like, ‘Oh, just kidding. I actually don’t want a change in law because it’s a presidential election year,’” he added.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] cogman@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A steady stream of people showing up daily with nothing, starting from scratch, is not a crisis to you?

Correct.

What do we do with those who show up to find all the farm jobs in Idaho and other places are filled?

Lol, you have no clue how farming works. But to be clear the US currently has historic low unemployment. Your remember that time when no employer is hiring at minimum wage? That's what historically low unemployment does.

There is plenty of work available.

Furthermore, do you condone the treatment refugees receive while working these jobs?

No, I don't. In fact, these "make the border strong" and "deport everyone" chants are used by employers of undocumented workers to get away with serious abuse. People that employee undocumented workers use the threat of deportation as a control method to stop their workers from demanding fair treatment.

The only form of border control I support is strict punishments and fines of employers of undocumented workers. That's the only way to improve working conditions and hopefully end up with reforms that make getting documentation not the nightmare process it is today.

But minimizing the long term need to assist the ongoing influx of people as purely racism isn’t productive. We have no solution for what to do with all of them.

It is racism because all this fear mongering is targeted at a single source of illegal immigration, the Mexican border. And it's targeted through evil and inhumane methods like putting razor wire in waterways. That's racism, it's not "solving problems" it's killing brown people.

We have other borders and mechanisms that people enter the US. This one is what racists cling to because nothing is more scary than a group of brown people on Fox News.

Do you think just opening up the border and letting whatever happens afterward work itself out is the answer?

Yes, because you may not know this, but that's exactly how the US operated for a century. It wasn't until the 90s that the border became this huge scary thing that racists clung to. Famously, Ronald Reagan granted citizenship to every Cuban who landed on US shores. That hasn't destroyed the nation, it was the backbone of major US cities like Miami.

And, again, I'll point to Europe which does effectively have open borders, particularly for EU citizens. This has not lead to the collapse of the EU. Though it did lead to brexit which has supremely hurt the UK.

We'll never stop undocumented workers, so how about we put into place mechanisms to. 1. Make getting documentation super easy, and 2. Provide these people with a leg up to actively contribute.

And if you say "we should do that for citizens" yes, we should. We can do two things.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can tell it's racism because they never suggest going after the corporations that hire undocumented immigrants to pay them substandard wages for backbreaking work, using the threat of outing them to ICE to disguise the awful way they get treated. Seems like a much more effective way to curb undocumented immigration would be to remove the reason for it if, you know, the GOP were actually interested in solving a problem.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Yup, but also the people crossing the border are never painted as having any sort of value. They are always framed as if they are valueless drains on society. Never mind the fact that they are often working various service, care, construction, and agricultural work. Nevermind the fact that these people often have educations or prior work experience. Nevermind the fact that these are people every bit as capable of learning new skills/trades as any american citizen. No, instead it's "they are here to drain society!"

This is why it's racist. Even with historically low unemployment levels the fear monger is still "They are taking all the jobs!".

[–] JaymesRS 2 points 10 months ago

I’d argue that the 1882 Chinese Exclusion act was when it started, but the 90’s with AM radio and Fox was definitely the “pour jet fuel on the fire” moment.