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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (26 children)

I'm expecting to see dual battery EVs in the not too distant future. A Sodium battery for the primary that gets the most charges and discharges which can be easy and cheaper to replace. Beside that a Lithium battery which would only be drawn from after the Sodium battery was exhausted. This way if you're doing shallow discharges for your "around town" driving then charging at night, and deep discharges for longer road trips where the energy density of Lithium shines.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (18 children)

I'm still dreaming of seeing EVs with flexible battery space, which users can fill according to their needs.
Like a car comes with space for 10x 10 kWh slots.
If 20 kWh serve your usual needs, the other spaces remain empty.
And if you plan longer trips and don't want to recharge each 100 miles, you put in additional batteries. Those batteries don't need to be owned, but can be rented.
Ideally there are lots of battery rental stations, where you can get charged batteries and instead of recharging the batteries in the EV, the rent'n'swap stations recharge them.
During (EV) wise low use times, these stations can provide a buffer to the energy grid.
...one can dream...

[–] filister@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

You know, putting and removing batteries would be a very tedious task and I really doubt that many owners will bother with it.

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

also it's not a trivial task to engineer for swapable EV batteries, doing so comes with a whole host of disadvantages / compromises that don't make sense for most (I guess) consumers right now. It's not very different from the phone battery issue, except on a huge scale and with much more severe consequences if things go wrong

[–] filister@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, you need to make the puncture proof, they are a fire hazard if stored at home, they degrade over time and if left empty long enough might not even work, etc.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The enginnering part is for sure one of the reasons we don't see that idea in the wild (yet?).
The fire hazard at home and degradation when stored full or empty (speaking of lithion ion based batteries here) go away if you lean on the rental approach.
Wouldn't it be nice to save investment and weight by using the required amount of battery capacity while still being able to extend the range of your car easily when needed?

[–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I mean, US Cellular had a free battery swap program for a while. If you were a subscriber and your phone battery was low, you could go into any store and they'd swap you out for a fully charged battery for free. I presume they just ate the cost of damaged or degraded batteries as part of it. I only used it a couple times, but it was kinda nice.

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