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YouTube’s Loaded With EV Disinformation::When it comes to articles on a website like CleanTechnica, there are two kinds of articles. First, there are the ... [continued]

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (30 children)

Some of the criticism is perfectly valid, frankly. I'm hyped for EVs but there's a lot of work to be done before they're really competitive. Glossing over glaring issues isn't doing anyone any favors.

Aging wheels did a great video on the charging station problem. He drove a Polaris and a Tesla on the same route and demonstrated really well how unreliable charging stations are, unless you have a Tesla. This guy loves electric cars and has been reluctant to actually recommend any.

That problem is going to be addressed as American manufacturers adopt Tesla as a standard, but that won't happen for two model years at least.

And in the long run, they won't address climate change in any meaningful way either. We've just exchanged one resource disaster for another, and there's far less rare earth minerals than there is oil. And we'll still need oil. The only way we're doing that is by massively overhauling every city and going away from any individualized transportation larger than a bike.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

Honestly it's the other way around. Most of the downsides are vastly overstated in my experience, and people don't really grasp how nice it is to never visit a gas station and always have a full tank to start the day, until they are living it. If you have the ability to charge at home and aren't making 1000 mile trips very often, there is basically no reason to not have an EV.

[–] HaoBianTai@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the bigger issue with EVs (at least in the USA) is that there's a huge gap between what EV's actually are and what EV industry players are claiming EV's are and can be. It makes EV conversations divisive and ripe for misinformation.

This idea that batteries should ever be used in trucking and heavy machinery (before massive boosts to battery capacity and sustainability/recycling) is a total crock of shit. The idea that you're doing the environment or yourself a favor by buying an electrified SUV or truck is a crock of shit. Buying a vehicle with 250mi+ of range using today's battery tech is bad for the environment.

Small to medium sized commuter vehicles and delivery vans/fleet vehicles with < 50kWh batteries are prime EV candidates. EV buyers need to charge at home and drivers need to change their behavior, not chase 300 miles of range at the expense of the environment.

Everything else is better off with a hybrid engine for the very distant foreseeable future.

Instead, buyers are unloading perfectly good ICE vehicles for EV's with 100kWh+ batteries and companies like Tesla are destroying the credibility of the EV industry with their stupid stunts and ridiculous EV semi claims. Others are making a bad problem worse by ratcheting up the consumerism and disposability of vehicles in the EV space by building premium vehicles that are inevitable purchased as a second or third car, completely negating any environmental benefit of the vehicle.

These buyers and industry players are making EV's easy targets for an anti-EV crowd which wants to undermine the truly green and sustainable aspects of an automotive technology shift.

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