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Honda says making cheap electric vehicles is too hard, ends deal with GM::The platform was to use GM's Ultium batteries.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 108 points 11 months ago (37 children)

Crazy to see how far behind Japanese car manufacturers are getting these days. Japan disrupted the auto market and made small, fuel efficient, cars popular. Now Honda and Toyota are starting to feel like 70’s Detroit.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (25 children)

Meanwhile Hyundai and Kia are absolutely smashing it (in Europe and Asia) with their cheap, reliable cars

[–] dakku@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Meanwhile Hyundai and Kia are absolutely smashing it (in Europe and Asia) with their cheap, reliable cars

And easy to steal

Edit: Downvote me all you want, I got mine stolen this year in Bulgaria, and if you check the news there's a lot of Tucsons stolen like every week. Along with the recent callback of models that risk getting on fire, Hyundai has a pretty shit reputation lately and I wouldn't buy one again even it was free.

[–] Vash63@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I thought only the American models were easy to steal because they left out some critical antitheft features on the lowest cost models? Didn't think it impacted other countries.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure their refering to the fact that certain Kia(?) models could be jacked using a screwdriver and USB. Basically the engines power button was shit. This is also why I dont fucking trust cars that use startup buttons, atleast if someone hotwires the car they had to work for it.

[–] RandomGen1@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It only affected key start cars, if it was push button start, it was immune to the attack you describe.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I was going off of something I vaguely remembered. But now my question is why the actual fuck was the key start system setup so badly.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 10 months ago

My understanding is it doesn't actually verify the chip on some models and the mechanism to start happens to be roughly the same size and shape as a USB plug. They took a risk and now they're paying for it with a full recall

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

That's a damn good question, when chip-keys were fairly common in the 90's already.

[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not in Europe. That fiasco only happened in the US.

[–] reversedposterior@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Because the US doesn't make engine immobilisers mandatory like the rest of the world does

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