Then perhaps Americans should fixing on their own country instead of fixating on what countries like China might be doing. US has no moral right to play global police, and people in US have no moral ground to criticize other countries.

I don’t need to take responsibility for it. I have yet to commit any war crimes or massacre innocent people. I do acknowledge that the US has done so, however.

As a citizen of US you bear responsibility for what your country does. People in US directly benefit from the global plundering and exploitation that US does, and unless you're actively working on changing that then you are part of the system that enables these atrocities.

China oppresses its people far more than the US. Its not even a competition. Tell the Uyghurs about that “quality of life”.

Have you met any Uyghurs living in China. You just admitted that you live in an oppressive authoritarian regime, but you completely believe what it tells you about China?

However, truth leaks even into western media now and then, here's what an actual Uyghur interviewed by AP has to say

“I’ve been drinking alcohol, I’m a little drunk, but that’s no problem. We can drink as we want now!” he shouted. “We can do what we want! Things are great now!”

Here's the GDP in Xinjiang going up 5.1% which is directly resulting in the quality of life improving https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1295093.shtml

Meanwhile, US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, far higher than China. And the prisoners are routinely used as literal slave labour. That's the country that oppresses its people, and you're right that it's not even a competition because China doesn't do anything of the sort.

[–] g7s@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

GDP went up Mhhh, forced labor

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

FoRcEd LaBor https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202104/1222413.shtml

[–] g7s@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

uses a Chinese source ... Of course, China does nothing wrong! Who decided that? Of course a Chinese committee

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a citizen of US you bear responsibility for what your country does. People in US directly benefit from the global plundering and exploitation that US does, and unless you're actively working on changing that then you are part of the system that enables these atrocities.

I don't enable anything. I am stripped of my power on purpose so I can't stop this. I have no choice, there is absolutely nothing I can do. Its completely absurd that you think I can just go fix it. How do you suppose I do that exactly? Not only can I not stop it, but it does not benefit me. It benefits a very small minority of Americans who have infinitely more power and money than I do.

You just admitted that you live in an oppressive authoritarian regime, but you completely believe what it tells you about China?

My news sources are not the american government. I have the freedom to get real information unlike citizens of China.

That's the country that oppresses its people, and you're right that it's not even a competition because China doesn't do anything of the sort.

You seriously think China doesn't oppress its people at all? I can't even fathom the amount of evidence you have to disregard to believe that.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don’t enable anything. I am stripped of my power on purpose so I can’t stop this. I have no choice, there is absolutely nothing I can do. Its completely absurd that you think I can just go fix it. How do you suppose I do that exactly? Not only can I not stop it, but it does not benefit me. It benefits a very small minority of Americans who have infinitely more power and money than I do.

That's completely false. You can spend time learning about the atrocities US commits, and educating others. You can start organizing politically within your community or join an existing organization that likely exists. How do you think people have overthrown other oppressive regimes, there's nothing unique about the US. What enables this monstrosity to perpetuate is precisely you kind of attitude that there is nothing that can be done. The country is its people, and as long as people are willing to accept what their regime is doing the horrors continue.

My news sources are not the american government. I have the freedom to get real information unlike citizens of China.

LMFAO

You seriously think China doesn’t oppress its people at all? I can’t even fathom the amount of evidence you have to disregard to believe that.

I seriously don't think that China oppresses people in any way that's even remotely comparable to the way US oppresses its people as well as people all around the globe. I'm really curious how you formed your strong opinions regarding China. Have you lived in China, do you speak Chinese language, do you talk to people who actually live there?

[–] g7s@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ay dude, you are really a chinese bot, arnt you? So much astroturfing, don't ya got any hobbies, expect licking Xijingpings dick, online everyday?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine being a grown ass adult and writing this comment. Maybe go outside and think hard about life choices you've made.

[–] g7s@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Imagine spending all day defending China and Russia online. Are you even Chinese? If so, maybe you should leave for a while, and see how the world is behind the great firewall

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LMFAO

What are you laughing at? Try accessing a website not endorsed by the CCP inside China, see what happens.

How do you think people have overthrown other oppressive regimes, there's nothing unique about the US.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize all I had to do was overthrow my government. All this time I thought it was effectively impossible because any movement against them would be extinguished without a second thought by the ridiculously powerful US military.

You go against the US, you die. There is no overthrowing them, not for the time being anyway. How naive are you that you think I am 100% in control of my overlords. If I tried anything, I would die and nothing would change. I don't think its worth throwing away my life to make absolutely no difference.

If you are so fucking stupid that you would blame me for the US's crimes that I had nothing to do with, then I don't see any point in arguing with you more.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are you laughing at? Try accessing a website not endorsed by the CCP inside China, see what happens.

I'm laughing at you thinking that your oligarch owned media is somehow more objective than state media, the fact that you don't even know how to spell CPC says a lot about the information diet you consume. Entire books have been written on the subject of public opinion manipulation by western media. Here are a couple you might want to read

Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize all I had to do was overthrow my government. All this time I thought it was effectively impossible because any movement against them would be extinguished without a second thought by the ridiculously powerful US military.

This shows such a profound lack of understanding of how anything works. The shitty US military consists of a few hundred thousand people who rely on the rest of the country to operate. If there was a popular movement in US against the regime then the military couldn't do much about it. In fact, if you weren't ignorant of your own history then you'd know that such a movement existed back in the 1930s during the great depression. That's what resulted in the New Deal being created to appease the people and prevent a revolution. When millions of working class people organize then change happens. When people like you pretend that nothing can be done atrocities continue.

The only one fucking stupid here is the guy who is utterly ignorant of history or how social change works in practice. You're absolutely right that arguing with you is pointless, you're uneducated and you confidently believe absurdities.

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No such movement can grow large enough to pose a threat without being extinguished along the way. This country is built to prevent that from happening. Sure its happened before elsewhere, but what about all the times it failed and countless people died in the process.

But no, I'm responsible for the deaths of thousands because I'm not risking my life fighting a losing battle.

I'm laughing at you thinking that your oligarch owned media is somehow more objective than state media, the fact that you don't even know how to spell CPC says a lot about the information diet you consume.

I have access to other countries' media, unlike Chinese citizens. I also have the ability to determine how biased information is. I'm not automatically brainwashed by propaganda just because I live here. If I was, I would be far less willing to admit how awful this country is. Also CCP, Chinese communist party. What is wrong about that? CPC means cost per click.

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You just keep repeating that like a broken record, yet such movements have grown successfully in the past in many countries. Nothing about the current situation in US is unique. If you bothered to actually educate yourself on the subject instead of arguing online then you might get a more informed perspective. Meanwhile, saying that because success is not guaranteed people shouldn't fight against a repressive regime is frankly spineless.

You are responsible for the death and suffering that result from the actions of the US empire around the world because you refuse to take any action to stop what your regime does. You went from claiming there's nothing you can do to admitting there's nothing you want to do because you don't want to lose your personal comfort. You don't care about the suffering of others as long as you're fine.

I have access to other countries’ media, unlike Chinese citizens.

The fact that you think Chinese citizens don't have access to other countries media really shows that you just guzzle propaganda from your regime. What you've demonstrated in this thread is that you don't see your own biases. Also, CCP is not a thing. It's called Communist Party of China, that's the actual name of the party. It's like if I insisted on calling your shithole country ASU as opposed to what it chooses to call itself. This is just another subtle form of chauvinism you internalize thinking that western scumbags get to decide the name of the Communist Party of China as opposed to Chinese people. Using CCP exposes you as a chauvinist.

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, saying that because success is not guaranteed people shouldn't fight against a repressive regime is frankly spineless.

Its called self preservation. Success isn't "not garunteed", its almost garunteed to not happen. Its a practically insurmountable task.

You went from claiming there's nothing you can do to admitting there's nothing you want to do because you don't want to lose your personal comfort.

I didn't even consider overthrowing them as an option because of how ridiculous of an idea that is.

The fact that you think Chinese citizens don't have access to other countries media really shows that you just guzzle propaganda from your regime.

I am aware its not literally impossible, maybe I should have made that more clear. But information is far more controlled there than it is here. Why would I guzzle propaganda from something I openly admit is an authoritarian regime? I think China sucks because China sucks, I don't need propaganda to tell me that.

Also, CCP is not a thing. It's called Communist Party of China

I do not care what the literal translation is, that's not how you translate things. You say it how it makes the most sense in the language you translate it to. If ASU made more sense in your language than USA, I would say go for it. Nearly everyone that speaks English calls it the CCP, I'm not exposing myself as anything by using what is widely considered to be correct language.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its called self preservation. Success isn’t “not garunteed”, its almost garunteed to not happen. Its a practically insurmountable task.

That's how you justify benefiting from the regime and your implicit support for it.

I didn’t even consider overthrowing them as an option because of how ridiculous of an idea that is.

Claiming that mass movements are a ridiculous idea is a historically illiterate position to take. The only reason you take this position is because you're not personally affected by all the suffering caused both domestically and abroad by what your regime does. One day you may find yourself affected as well as you country continues to implode politically and economically, and by then it will be too late to take any meaningful action. You deserve what's coming to you.

I am aware its not literally impossible, maybe I should have made that more clear. But information is far more controlled there than it is here. Why would I guzzle propaganda from something I openly admit is an authoritarian regime? I think China sucks because China sucks, I don’t need propaganda to tell me that.

You think China sucks because of the information you consume that tells you that China sucks. Again, have you been to China, do you speak the language, do you talk to people who live in China. If the answer to these questions is no, then what precisely is your claim that China sucks based on, the garbage you read in western media about China?

I do not care what the literal translation is, that’s not how you translate things.

Yeah, actually that's exactly how you translate things. You take the official translation made by the government of China instead of making one up yourself. The fact that you would even argue this point is frankly surreal. You very much are exposing yourself as a chauvinist both by using the made up name that your regime gave the party and claiming that China sucks without any actual knowledge of China. You're a chauvinist.

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Im the one being exploited into paying for it, and you think im benefitting from it? How fucking dare you accuse me of something so heinous just because I don't want to challenge the most powerful entity on the entire planet. You are a sick delusional piece of shit and there is no getting through to you. Go tell all your tankie friends you won the argument, you broke me.