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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 152 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

The text of the section they are challenging (emphasis added):

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

It's an exceptionally stupid argument, even for Trump. Obviously "preserve, protect, and defend" are all forms of support, so this challenge is quite possibly the stupidest legal argument they've made so far (which is an extremely high bar). But I suppose they don't think they can realistically claim that he didnt engage in insurrection.

[–] Saganaki@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It’s not quite that simple. To be clear, the argument being proposed by his lawyers is that he is not an “officer of the United States” so it doesn’t apply to him.

Basically, there’s legal precedent that elected officials aren’t officers of the US because they are elected and not hired. Add to that the sheer number of commas, “and”s, and “or”s, that it can get legally murky.

NB: Not a lawyer. Read about the above on Mastadon from a legal scholar. Will see if I can find the link.

[–] samsepi0l@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn't the "No person shall be a ... elector of President and Vice President" just outright say that the statement obviously includes elected officials? Specifically the POTUS and VPOTUS?

[–] Saganaki@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

The argument I’ve seen is that the condition part of the clause (insurrection) by language only applies to the bit after “who, having previously…”

Basically, the argument goes “It says you can’t be President or Vice President if you did insurrection while an officer of the US”—but it doesn’t say you can’t be President if you did insurrection while president of the US.

To be clear: I think it’s fucking idiotic and against the spirit of the law—but I’m no lawyer/legal expert.

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