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[–] hh93@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Too many people believe they can just continue living like they were 30 years ago - if big oil would stop producing stuff and plastics, gas and airplane fuels would not be available anymore then people would riot

Even threatening to increase prices to a level that would make sense to limit the use to absolutely necessary levels would piss off too many people to be a viable option because everyone just wants to believe that it's just for "the others" to change but not for themselves.

Everyone has to act and change their Livestyle...

[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (22 children)

This is the truth right there. Gas prices went up two measly dollars compared to normal in 2022, and everyone flipped the fuck out. People were prepared to elect Republicans-- fucking Republicans- to office, they were so furious about it.

And don't @ me about "100 corporations are responsible for like 90% of emissions". Who's buying those corporations' goods? Who's refusing to vote for politicians that'll meaningfully regulate these corporations? Who's spending all day fantasizing about Da Revolushun^TM that'll never fucking come (and would kill tens of millions of civilians and likely result in fascists winning and seizing control of your country, if not the whole thing splintering into a bunch of warring fiefdoms controlled by ruthless oligarchs) instead of getting to actual work trying to effect real change in the real world? And I don't mean "direct action" (read: looking edgy and getting photos for the 'gram), I mean actually fucking getting policy passed that'll have a real impact on people's real lives.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

It’s almost like our society is car centered, and raising gas prices directly results in worse outcomes for the majority of people. You can’t expect people to just stop using cars, but you can use the state to create massive infrastructure policies paid for wholly by the polluting industries who most heavily profit from our current situation. Use the next decade to build high speed rail, electrified busses and lightrails, subway systems, and other mass transit, and then when gas prices go up, people will have an option other than cutting back on their food to ensure they make it to work every day.

I replied to the wrong comment in this thread, but if I delete it’ll only delete from my instance, so I’m just gonna leave it.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Our society is 100% car centered. My kids' schools are miles away from my house, my job is miles away, and you cannot convince me to ride a bike or walk when it's over 100°F outside. Fuck that shit. I'm happy to take public transit, but any public transit available to me isn't feasible because it would take literally 1.5-2 hours to get to work and back each way, which cuts down severely on my family time. And I can't work from home either due to the nature of my job, which is maintaining the machines that build microchips.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe don't move somewhere that your job and kids school is hundreds of miles away? My child's school is down the street, and I can take the subway to work in about 15min. This was a specific choice my wife and I made when we chose to live here.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Holy privilege Batman

"Just don't live in a place like that" rofl

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh great, let's use privilege as a bludgeon to enforce the status quo. This is great and also happens to be indistinguishable from doing nothing.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm saying your proposed solution is not possible.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's possible for billions today right now including millions in America. So maybe you should expand your understanding of what is possible instead of being a reactionary fighting change.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Billions of people in the world live without cars. The possibilities of this don't need to be explained since they are actively occurring across the world. Within America there are ~10% of household that do not have a car. https://usa.streetsblog.org/2021/10/22/u-s-cities-have-more-car-free-households-than-you-think This is a good thing btw, and it should fully demonstrate that such a life is absolutlely possible, and could be improved and expanded.

[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you're saying that in areas which allow for people to live without cars, people live without cars, and this is why people who live in areas that DON'T allow for people to live without cars, should also live without cars? What?

If the environment is designed solely for cars, you can't just ditch your car. And unless you're wealthy you can't just up and move.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm saying if you voluntarilly move to a place that requires a car, your opinion is made clear: you don't give a shit about the future and your selfishness is apparent.

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