It was a rather sombering thread, that echoed quite a bit of what I've been saying about .ml, the Triad, general toxicity of their Tankie "ideology" for months now.
I know @ptz@dubvee.org was speaking of general toxicity, but the Triad is a huge chunk of it, the culture they create...festers it. They comprise the bulk of the hostility, I've personally seen it over and over and over again. All the "Just go back to Reddit" or "just another lib Redditor refugee" comments for someone that dared to have nuance.
Hell, I saw hex users fucking cheering .ee's shutdown because it was some sort of psyop/CIA/fed/lib/"They didn't perfectly agree with me" instance. They call feddit.org a "Nazi Zionist" instance for the crime....of not wanting to be arrested and complying with German law...
I haven't looked to see if they've started any "celebratory" posts about Dubvee yet and I also don't really want to, if they're there, I already know what they're going to say in it -_-
Unfortunately, I fear the problem was far worse than I thought.
Ptz speculated that the toxicity has "metastasized". And you know what? He might be right, it seemed to be a lot better off 2 years ago, now....now I feel we might be losing the battle against the toxicity and I don't think PieFed will be enough. Complacency has set in
My hope was that with enough instances defederating from .ml and the rest of the Triad, it would be a tad easier to take down toxic Tankies, trolls and their alts. But, few wanted to burn the bridge with the toxic main devs' instance and now it might be too late. (Cheers to @Illecors@lemmy.cafe and the lemmy.cafe instance, one of the few of note to actually defederate from the entire triad!)
Like ptz said and I fully agree with, this place started with promise 2 years ago, but it appears to be ultimately morphing into 4chan (or like I've been saying, Voat 2.0) after all
Oh well, I've got some thick ass skin so I'll probably be here till the end, till the last sane instance shuts down.
I'll see you there @dessalines@lemmy.ml
/Sadmemerant
Heck, maybe I'll do a hail Mary and start an instance on a custom fork of lemmy with "normie proof" onboarding while dumping a few hundred in ADs (Maybe even on Reddit itself, HA!). I'll flood this place with "normies" LMAO
The dubvee shutdown posts makes some valid point, but I disagree on a few others.
The communities I'm in are mostly safe from toxic users
I avoid news and politics, that probably helps a lot on that regard
This might be a call for mods to keep an eye on reports, and for users to post and comment on well moderated community. !fedigrow@lemmy.zip can help.
It's sad to see Admiral Patrick go, but it's not all doom and gloom.
Reddit keeps enshittifying (DM shutdown, UK age verification), we might see new people come here soon.
Honestly, same. As an ML user (this is my UK alt), I never really saw any of toxicity described by so many others, but I guess I just learned early on to put my filters up and have been living in my own bubble within ML.
If a place gets toxic, I tend to just leave instead of doubling down, and that I think is a pattern that might be alien to some because how reddit used to function: you couldn't just leave reddit politics-wise because the frontpage literally hammered you with it, so you'd have to stand your ground and fight until users or mods waded in. But here? You can leave lemmy politics-wise because the frontpage is either your subs or local posts filtered through your block lists.
I'm very happy in my bubble, and it does genuinely confuse me when someone says "oh, you're from ML, are you?" and I think "yeah... and it's mostly quiet, just the way I like it"
Yeah, as long as you don't engage in current world events there. You will likely not bounce of the alternate reality bubble they're trying to build. And even then the majority of the most toxic ones on the instance or off the instance. Are a rather small slice. They just unfortunately happen to be in charge of most of it so they have an outsized impact.
How is this different from Reddit? Reddit has a user feed that consists of communities you're subscribed to and lemmy's All is the direct equivalent to r/all, i.e. Reddit's front page, and you could also block communities (at least with Reddit Enhancement Suite, not sure if that's a feature of the Reddit itself). The main difference is the existence of instances and their Local feeds. Note that it's been a while since I used Reddit beyond looking at Reddit posts that I found in web searches, might be that the feeds don't work like I remember them anymore.
I feel the same way, and do the same thing. News and politics will be toxic almost anywhere on the internet I feel like. And I guess general meme communities might too since the subject matter is often news and politics there as well.
Yes, definitely.
I only keep !funny@sh.itjust.works as it's usually actual funny content and not political messages (whatever the stance) hidden behind memes
!gaming@lemmy.world has been pretty innocuous, and I also like the ADHD and autism memes. But that's it for me. And I never browse /all, only Subscribed and Local.
I occasionally browse /all to find new communities to subscribe to. Just don't go to the posts/comments
I don't want to block half the Fediverse, and I don't want to make myself spiral into despair by inadvertently exposing myself to depressing news so I stay off /all.
For finding new communities I use stuff like
!newcommunities@lemmy.world !communitypromo@lemmy.ca !trendingcommunities@feddit.nl (RIP)
Isn't that an issue that literally all platforms that are active in the UK have to deal with, unless they are exclusively doing content that is considered appropriate for children? Or did Reddit do something that is extra-bad?
Not an expert, but from what I've heard, if you don't allow NSFW content you don't have to comply ?
Per the UK definitions, the concept of "NSFW" is deranged. I made a post on what Reddit is supposedly going to do here.
NSFW content as they define it? It's one thing to allow porn, but e.g. tumblr had a whole thing about banning transition timelines (AFAIK including ones that only had clothed pictures) and many consider any kind of sex education inappropriate for children. Plus the whole issue of violence and gore, which is a common theme in the news.
I have little faith about the UK being reasonable about this. And AFAIK it's not enough to ban certain types of content, they also have pretty steep requirements for how fast a website has to moderate it if users post disallowed content, with hefty fines if you don't comply well enough that would immediately bankrupt many smaller sites depending on how it's enforced.