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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 42 points 22 hours ago (21 children)

To be fair, Mamdani is facing massive backlash from the Dem establishment.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 28 points 20 hours ago (17 children)

That's the thing; most democrat politicians hate him nearly as much as the republican ones do, as they're more similar to one another than either is to him. There are a few exceptions, but we're going to need people aligned with Mamdani to be the norm rather than the exception if we want the democratic party to become a real force for good.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 19 hours ago (16 children)

I doubt it's possible for the DNC to be a force for good, better to have a new party entirely.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Better in a vacuum, yes, but as /u/disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world pointed out, a huge amount of voters pay absolutely no attention, and just vote for whatever color they've always voted for. Hell, a bunch of people searched "Did Joe Biden drop out?" on election day, because they paid so little attention that they didn't even know about Harris. That's an extreme example, sure, but it's just not a realistic expectation to think people will really think hard about a 3rd party, especially when it won't get a proportionate amount of attention even if it got a huge amount of support, thanks to the billionaire-backed media.

If we don't get someone into one of the 2 established parties, we're crippling ourselves, likely to the point of immediate failure. It would be significantly more viable to change one of the parties by flooding it with new socialist politicians than it would be to build up a new platform based on socialism from the start.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, entryism is a proven failure. As conditions worsen, people pay increasingly more attention to politics. Reformism in general is a lost cause, revolution is necessary, but entryism is especially bad.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It can’t have been proven without participation. Congressional primaries haven’t seen more than 15% attendance in over 40 years. We’ve been allowing retirees from the Silent Generation and now Boomers to decide our candidates. Gen X and younger need to actively participate in primaries and attempt to take the party over before we can actually say we’ve proven anything.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

The US does not have a unique set of physics that only it applies to. We have a wealth of historical experience proving the ineffectiveness of entryism, even in the US. People have tried this, it doesn't work, and even if it did miraculously work we would have a worse party than if we put all of that effort into building up PSL.

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