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[–] dangling_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 2 days ago (6 children)

https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391

And new evidence has been discovered: the auditing company which certifies voting machines is a shell company and has been dissolved.

https://dissentinbloom.substack.com/p/the-machines-were-changed-before

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Thanks, I hadn't come across that yet. Newsweek is hiding these kind of articles form their frontpage, I have no idea why. I appreciate you taking the time to source it well.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, it just doesn't matter. The GOP playbook has been: accuse the other side of doing the bad thing, and then do the bad thing, so that when you get accused it sounds like more of the same.

It doesn't matter if we have 1000 independently verified videos of Elon himself paying vote counters to fake results while holding the newspaper of that day up next to his birth certificate. People against trump will say "yeah, we know", and people for Trump will say, "he won, get over it".

It's the same reason the courts found Trump guilty of falsifying records, and then did nothing: that's not how this situation resolves itself.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There will never be a time where truth does not matter, whether you believe it does or not.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

That's funny you say that, because this whole ordeal has made me realize that truth does not matter at all, and it's a privilege to be able to live as though it does. But in most countries and throughout most of history, what is true doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is what people believe to be true. And only if you work very hard as a society, and get lucky, do those two things coincide.

Case in point: it could have been the case that Obama was a perfect president who made the best possible decisions to most effectively care for all constituents. But that doesn't matter if right wing media convinces half the country that he's a radical communist terrorist who is ignoring the constitution to enrich his deep state. Regardless of what Obama did, what happens in response is what people believe he did.

🎶No one else was in the room where it happened🎶

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