Correct. I, and nobody else, should be permitted to override the moral autonomy of others. Atrocities have already been performed under the line of reasoning that the persecutors' beliefs are objectivity superior to those that they are persecuting, and this is not something that we should aspire to repeat in the current day. Two moral wrongs—persecuting those that are persecuting others—does not make a moral right.

If the goal in your hypothetical scenario were solely to provide refuge and safe haven for willing members of said society, then I would have no problem with that. You would not be overriding moral beliefs; refugees would simply be voluntarily defecting from their own.

If your goal is to stop the genocide by destabilizing the society and installing your own set of moral beliefs in its place, then it would no longer be permissible.

[–] BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well homie I appreciate the bullet bite but I don't know how to fix you - you not only feel no need to endorse the ending of genocide - even for the marginalized in societies outside your own, you actively discourage and look down upon interfering with genocide. I don't know if you have the capacity to engage as a member of society, and frankly you may be a danger to it. Maybe you get the boot out of Athens 😵‍💫

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We can agree to disagree on our differing views of morality, I guess.

With regards to genocide, it's a tough topic. We both agree that it's wrong, but we don't agree on how to approach it. I come from the perspective that there isn't a baseline for morality and that it's amoral to foist a subjective standard on others. You come from the perspective that there exists a universal standard for morality, and that it is amoral to allow societies to deviate from it.

Two diametrically opposed viewpoints that can't be reconciled at this point in time. Maybe, in the future, if we have a unified global "culture" and moral relativism and cultural relativism are indistinguishable, we might be able to come to some agreement. Until then, you do you, and I do me.

[–] BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can agree to disagree on our differing views of morality, you do you, and I do me.

I'm a moral objectivist, I literally won't do that 🤣

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Good point, lol. I'll agree to disagree, and you keep doing you 🤣