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I think this kind of activism is much more effective than the Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion people gluing themselves to roads and preventing ambulances from getting to hospitals.
Support for the climate movement has halved in two years in Germany because of these idiots.
Moderate change is insufficient. We need to reduce CO2 by 10% per year if we want to keep the 1.5° goal. We need a wide spectrum of civil protest.
Look at the history of womens' voting rights. Or the anti vietnam war movement, or the no nukes movement.
Edit: The workers' movements for 48 and 40 hour weeks were also militant, violent protests. Obedience is not everything in a democracy.
Big movements on developed countries won't change how developing countries will treat the climate going forward. Do you really believe on the numbers reported by China for example? Do you think that poor countries where millions of people starve care about not burning hydrocarbons? CO2 production is a game of scales and the little we can contribute is just that, little, very little in fact if compared to what big industries do around the world.
So it's best to be a bad example? Why wouldn't people then say "If very rich nations can't even do it, then poorer nation surely can't", and suddenly nobody is doing anything?
Also: If you're a developing country, why would you try to buy technology from 50 or 100 years ago? Why wouldn't you buy low-cost technology of 2023, e. g. solar power? I don't see the rock-solid connection that you are assuming.
Also: are you saying "developing countries might, in the future, emit lots of CO2" is an excuse for the current worst polluters to just continue? Would you accept it if I'm a serial robber and used the excuse "I expect a large number of poor people will commit a lot more robberies very soon"?
wow, chill bruh! I didn't say I thought is wrong for those that can do it, do it. I criticised the apparent need for "revolution" over governments on developed countries. if you/me live in a developed country we are already doing better and will continue to do better, no doubt. Just don't flatter yourself thinking that we must do this at any cost because other, poorer countries aren't and won't be for a very long time...