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Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The fact that you blanket assume everyone forces their religion on their children is telling. Furthermore, the French government pressures ADULTS into taking off their religious apparel, so that debunks your argument. That’s not freedom, and it makes France no freer than Iran or Uzbekistan.

[–] Project_Straylight@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The fact that you blanket assume kids are going to spontaneously start wearing turbans withour their parents having anything to do with it is telling.

It debunks my argument about schoolchildren that similar rules exist for adults (when working in the government)?

If you think having to take off your religious uniform when you're representing the government is the comparable to state oppression in Iran or Uzbekistan, I get a feeling you don't know too much about life in those countries

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don’t know any Sikhs then. Talk to a few and get back to me. They proudly wear turbans because it’s part of their religion to break down social class barriers and their adornments are meant to symbolize their desire to help fellow man. Sikh kids WANT to wear it as a sign of maturity in their faith, not because anyone is pressuring them into dressing that way. And you want to hold them back from this?

Muslims and Arabs have similar ideas; men grow facial hair both to show manhood and to imitate their beloved prophets. Should France ban beards like China does against its Uighurs? Where does this oppression end, in the name of France’s phony “freedom”?

As soon as it becomes apparent certain clothes or even hairstyles are forced on people to show they are part of a group, a ban can be discussed. Especially when they are forced on young children.

Every fundamentalist will use the same argument as you do: that these children merely want to express their religious feelings. Sadly, you can't open that door to those that won't force it on their children, to protect those of those who will.

I'm sure a righteous god won't think wearing a uniform is all that important in showing your love.