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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

this is a facile childs argument, no, not at present, we obviously can't do "better than this", "we" couldn't even hold the line to keep the fascists from taking power again, after every failure from trumps first bite at the apple, and every open threat coming into this next one. we need less dreamers, and more pragmatic political realists.

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works -3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I guess, man. We’ve been playing your realpolitik strategy game for the last few decades and here we are. My strategy didn’t involve electing Trump yet again…

The last president we had that appealed to “dreamers” was Obama, who had two terms and got some stuff accomplished. Since then, we’ve had a set of “pragmatic” choices who have outright lost or at least failed to keep the fascists out: Clinton, Biden, and now Harris. Should we stick with the “pragmatic” route in hopes that it starts making returns someday?