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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The lie that there are “jobs that Americans won’t do” or that we can’t afford to pay Americans to do is historical revisionism and is only coming true because we keep basing every decision on how to make our ultra-wealthy abusers even richer. We can do better than this.

The "jobs Americans won't do" is acknowledging the current situation, not a comment on whether it was always true. In fact, it could also be said as "jobs Americans won't do any longer because they are underpaid and only immigrants will accept the pay".

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

True, but by accepting that the chosen argument against mass deportation is that our economy depends on having illegals to exploit, we’re normalizing the situation instead of working toward a better economic reality.

I get that the argument is supposed to appeal to the right wing types in order to shift their actions away from mass deportation. My argument is that ratcheting to the right this way won’t actually resonate with them in an effective way (their blue collar ancestors also raised families on these jobs and they see the immigrants as “stealing” the jobs), but will also shift the thinking of the left wing crowd toward an expectation that the permanence of our current situation is a fait accompli.

This is not only an ineffective argument, it’s a damaging one in the long term.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I get that the argument is supposed to appeal to the right wing types in order to shift their actions away from mass deportation.

It is a statement about the short term impacts of mass deportation by removing the majority of people that do a certain type of work that has nobody waiting to fill the positions. It is actually contradicting the right wing talking point that immigrants are stealing jobs from citizens, by pointing out that they aren't stealing jobs from anyone.