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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) by Beardsley@lemmy.world to c/gaming@lemmy.ml

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I think gamers as a whole, though specifically those in niche communities, need to take a long and hard look at themselves. We should celebrate the volunteers that create wonderful content for us, generally with no financial gain. Instead, commonly, there are communities that criticize and tear down every little thing they can think of. They even went as far as to doxx the poor woman. We need to be better, and we need to hold these kind of toxic trolls accountable. Especially those of us who are men, we have a responsibility to call out other men who mistreat women in the gaming industry, or gaming in general.

*Edit: I apologize if I insinuated that all gamers are guilty of this kind of behavior, that was not my intention at all. My sentiment is that many of us do not think about this kind of thing, and less are willing to speak out against their friends. We need to be better about that as a whole. I appreciate you as a person if you are already of this mindset.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This broad dynamic isn't new and it isn't unique either to gaming or to men. Every single creative volunteer community on the net is filled with assholes and drama llamas, of any and all genders. It's just the nature of the thing. You see the same things over and over with game modding, cracking, romhacking, emulation, manga scanlation, anime fansubbing, vocaloid production, mmd modeling, fanfic, fanart, and so on and on.

People often (generally?) are willing to invest the time and energy into whatever it is that they're going to post online at least in large part because they crave the attention they hope it will bring, and specifically, they want to be lauded for their talent and skill.

And that often runs up against the fact that an awful lot of the responses they're going to get are going to come from self-absorbed and entitled assholes bitching because they don't like whatever it is that they're getting for free, and think they have to be accommodated.

And very often, the response from the creator, unsurprisingly really, is to effectively (or even literally) say, "Fine then - fuck you all. I'm done."

And 'round and 'round it goes, and has from the start, and likely will never stop. It's just an unfortunate but pretty much inevitable clash between a personality type that's likely to create and share something online for free and a personality type that's likely to comment on something somebody else created and shared with them for free.

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I don't disagree with you but I feel that it is important to recognize and call out the misogyny element in this story. The gaming community has a pervasive sexism problem that's normalized, and that part is unique in that it all comes from men.

I have only ever played three games online. The first was Final Fantasy XI, and I was part of a group/guild with nice people. It was fun!

The next was Team Fortress 2 because my husband wanted me to play with him. The vitriol and misogyny hurled at me over voice chat after two matches made me never play again.

The last was Destiny, and I turned off voice chat completely.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

but I feel that it is important to recognize and call out the misogyny element in this story

I don't.

I think that countering misogyny with misandry is rather obviously a losing strategy.

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

How was it countered with misandry?

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

I don't want to hammer on this really, because I think you mean well, but...

You're not condemning the specific assholes who treated you poorly - you're condemning "men" generally. Your point and your focus isn't that they were assholes, but that they were men, as if that's the actual problem - as if their failure isn't being assholes, but simply being men.

I don't know if that's your actual view, but that is the way it comes across. And broadly, that view is part of the problem, since it alienates men who deserve no blame and diverts attention from those who do. And that's exactly what I meant when I said that countering misogyny with misandry is a poor strategy.