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Hello,

Just spent a good week installing my home server. Time to pause and lookback to what I've setup and ask your help/suggestions as I am wondering if my below configuration is a good approach or just a useless convoluted approach.

I have a Proxmox instance with 3 VLAN:

  • Management (192.168.1.x) : the one used by proxmox host and that can access all other VLANs

  • Servarr (192.168.100.x) : every arr related software + Jellyfin (all LXC). All outbound connectivity goes via VPN. Cant access any VLAN

  • myCloud (192.168.200.X): WIP, but basically planning to have things like Nextcloud, Immich, Paperless etc...

The original idea was to allow external access via Cloudlfare tunnel but finally decided to switch back to Tailscale for "myCloud" access (as I am expected to share this with less than 5 accounts). So:

  • myCloud now has Tailscale running on it.
  • myCloud can now access Servarr VLAN

Consequently to my choice of using tailscale, I had now to use a DNS server to resolve mydomain.com:

  • Servarr now has pihole as DNS server reachable across all VLAN

On the top of all that I have yet another VLAN for my raspberry Pi running Vaultwarden reachable only via my personal tailscale account.

I'm open to restart things from scratch (it's fun), so let me know.

Also wondering if using LXCs is better than docker especially when it comes to updates and longer term maintenance.

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (30 children)

I don't think there is anything wildly wrong with it, but it seems like you're doing all of this at the router, unless you have dedicated switches for each VLAN?

VLAN is not a security feature, it's a logical separation of IP segments. Maybe I'm missing your intention here, but just setting different IP spaces on VLANs and then bridging them doesn't help your security, it just complicates your network.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (29 children)

Not OP, but logical separation and firewall rules is a needed first step for security. They already mentioned in the post that one vlan has dedicated outbound (via VPN only) and doesn't have access to their .200.

Physical switches per vlan is completely unnecessary, and entirely why vlans are used rather than subnets.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You can't use the same subnet on different vlans if you ever intend for both of them to reach the internet. In that case you'd need a second router which just defeats the purpose

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You dont need to have the same subnet on different vlans. You also dont need them to each have a router, that isn't how this works.

Each VLAN gets a gateway, in a subnet accessible within that VLAN.

Under no circumstances do you need a separate physical router for having 2 VLANs on the same network. That's not how VLANs work.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The poster i was responding to equated subnetting to vlans. I might have misunderstood what they meant though. It sounded like they wanted to use the same subnet per vlan, which wont work if you want them routed in the same gateway.

Reading it again they make it sound like you can't subnet all of these networks on a switch without vlan, which you definitely can. I could for example connect 4 different devices on the subnet 192 168.10.x/24 and have them reach each other. I could also connect 4 more devices in the same switch but on a different network 192.168.20.x/24 and it would work.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You were responding to me, and I most definitely didn't equate the two. Maybe you meant to respond to someone else.

In any case, you can route between vlans (and subnets), but without a route you aren't communicating between those vlans or.between subnets.

Also, you can have multiple subnets in a vlan, but you can't have a single subnet across vlans.

The range (x.x.10.x and x.x.20.x from your example) is only the subnet side, you could have both of those subnets in one vlan. But you could not, for example, have x.x.10.x/24 exist in vlan 10 and vlan 20.

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry about my confused rambling 😅 Yes, the example was to demonstrate the difference between subnetting and vlan. Albeit simplified. What you said is right.

[–] athes@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are all defined as 192.168.x.y/24 Doesn't this make them in different subnets?

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes.

And to be clear about things, because that comment doesn't make any sense for VLANs - a VLAN can contain multiple subnets. You will not have a single subnet across multiple VLANs.

Your config is fine in that regard.

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