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[–] doughless@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (9 children)

A comment on the YouTube video makes a good point that we already have a better word for the concept of dealing with multiple things at once: multitasking. Using a word that literally means "things happening at the same time" just adds to the confusion, since people already have a difficult time understanding the distinction between multitasking and concurrency.

[–] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

A cpu (core) can only do one thing at a time. When you have multiple cores you can do multiple things at the same time. Multitasking in programming sense is a bad term, it's a term more for the masses.

Bit simplified:

  • concurrency: you seem to be doing multiple things at the same time. In reality they are run little by little one after another. Doesn't really speed things up.
  • parallelism: you actually run multiple things at the same time (multiple cpus/cpu cores required). If the code scales properly or is designed to truly run in parallel the speed up is relative to the number of cpus available.

Edit: It's much more complex subject then I've presented here.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You missed the point. He understands all these things you tried to explain. The point is that your definition of the word "concurrency" is objectively wrong.

You:

you seem to be doing multiple things at the same time. In reality they are run little by little one after another

The actual meaning of the word "concurrency":

The property or an instance of being concurrent; something that happens at the same time as something else.

Wiktionary actually even disagrees with your pedantic definition even in computing!

(computer science, by extension) A property of systems where several processes execute at the same time.

I suspect that concurrency and parallelism were actually used interchangeably until multicore became common, and then someone noticed the distinction (which is usually irrelevant) and said "aha! I'm going to decide that the words have this precise meaning" and nerds love pedantic "ackshewally"s so it became popular.

[–] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wikpedia puts it nicely:

"The concept of concurrent computing is frequently confused with the related but distinct concept of parallel computing,[3][4] although both can be described as "multiple processes executing during the same period of time". In parallel computing, execution occurs at the same physical instant: for example, on separate processors of a multi-processor machine, with the goal of speeding up computations—parallel computing is impossible on a (one-core) single processor, as only one computation can occur at any instant (during any single clock cycle).[a] By contrast, concurrent computing consists of process lifetimes overlapping, but execution does not happen at the same instant. "

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

You're still missing the point. We all understand that definition. We're just saying that it is incorrect use of the word "concurrent". Does that make sense? The word "concurrent" means things happening at the same time. It's stupid for programmers to redefine it to mean things not happening at the same time.

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